How 'leading progressive bloggers' have morphed into our own Maureen Dowds

The political pundit class is regularly pilloried by the leading lights of the progressive blogosphere. Maureen Dowd, for example, is rightly ridiculed for her penchant to dwell on inanities rather than issues. David Broder, the "Dean" of the Beltway pundits, is mocked for his myopic, inside-the-Beltway vision of politics.

And the press, in general, is torn to shreds by top progressive bloggers for a variety of sins: getting facts wrong; focusing on side issues; failing to cover serious gaffes of a Republican frontrunner while giving overblown coverage to the smallest Democratic candidate misstep.

The performances of ABC's George Stephanopoulos and Charles Gibson in the last debate were horrendous, and progressive blog honchos (except for a few ardent Clinton backers) chastised the pair for their shallow, trivial circus act.

So one would think that top progressive bloggers, many of whom have been arguing that they are, indeed, journalists, would try and do better than the very media elites they so often criticize.

Oh, if only it were so...

Back in December, just as Barack Obama was about to start his three-state whirlwind tour with Oprah Winfrey, an item appeared off-handedly in a post by digby claiming that Oprah Winfrey was anti-union and that her production company ran a non-union shop.

The story was untrue and an obvious smear in advance of the tour, but this "fact" gained a life of its own and spread rapidly to Clinton-friendly blogs like Taylor Marsh, NoQuarter and MyDD.

I wrote a long piece tracing the smear and published it on Daily Kos on December 12:

Anatomy of a smear: Winfrey gets attacked with lies

My purpose wasn't to indict specific bloggers, but, rather, to call attention to how easy it is to become the very thing that respected progressive bloggers so often criticize.

I was even more disappointed in how digby started her response to my piece:

First of all, this kind of thing happens all the time in blogging. We link to articles as a matter of course, and sometimes they are wrong. The way we normally deal with it is to write a note to the blogger and ask them to correct the error rather than write a DKos diary calling him or her a lazy smear artist based upon a four word error and a link to an article.

I never called digby a "lazy smear artist," nor did I imply that she was anything of the sort. My point with the "Anatomy" post was that our progressive blog leadership undermines its ability to criticize media kingpins when it makes the same, lazy mistakes. Would it have been that difficult to check and see if Winfrey really was "anti-union" before posting the claim that she was -- a claim that quickly circulated among other so-called progressive blogs?

And of late, we've witnessed some of the progressive blogosphere's "leading lights" sound more like Maureen Dowd or George Stephanopoulos than astute observers of the political scene.

Reading Markos ("Clinton is not a Democrat"), Jerome Armstrong (citing Clinton's FactHub as a reputable source in a front page post), or Jeralyn Merritt at Talk Left (using Larry Johnson and susanhu's vicious, racist posts as source material), leads me to believe that all of these "leading" bloggers have diminished themselves during the course of this primary race. Far worse than they did in 2004.

While Big Tent Democrat (aka Armando) at Talk Left has been, in my opinion, somewhat accurate in his calling out of his fellow progressive bloggers this primary season, his refusal to call out his blog partner's citing as source the material the bigoted (and often false) trash emanating from NoQuarter and Taylor Marsh leaves a gaping hole in his credibility.

When we have leading bloggers doing nothing more than logrolling (citing each other's posts in an endless circle jerk), then these bloggers have become the very thing they despise.

So next time you read a front-pager at a leading liberal blog take on the media, ask yourself if this "leader" is any better than the pundit or reporter s/he is criticizing.

It's been a disappointing primary season for the progressive blogosphere. The goal should be to do better than those who are so often, rightly, criticized.



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A side-effect of the rag tag band that Democrats (none / 0)

are really comprised of.


John McCain on social security.
by heresjohnny on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 05:50:41 PM EST

Yep. (2.00 / 1)

So I'll just have to laugh every time one of these "leading lights" pulls a George Stephanopoulos or a Maureen Dowd.


by Bob Johnson on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 05:58:03 PM EST
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It's been pretty funny to watch (none / 0)

the inability of the leading blogs to actually attack McCain and defend the Democrats.


John McCain on social security.
by heresjohnny on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 05:59:14 PM EST
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The problems bloggers often have fact-checking (none / 0)

are often related to the fact that bloggers often don't get called back when they call to check things, not necessarily that they don't ever try.

Given that situation, I think bloggers should wait a reasonable interval, (which varies) and perhaps still post things, but ALWAYS qualify it and give the original source and whatever context they can, including the fact that its unverified, if thats the case.

Thats the responsible thing to do.


Universal healthcare IS a Democratic value
It's been defeated
Obama has the best $PIN that money can buy.
by architek on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 07:36:17 PM EST
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Get off it. (none / 0)

I found all the Oprah stuff online using Google. Before a so-called leading blogger posts an inflammatory "fact," perhaps they should actually take five minutes and use Google.


by Bob Johnson on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 11:41:45 PM EST
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Re: How 'leading progressive bloggers' have morphe (2.00 / 2)

I have been having the same thoughts, when people were railing against the Media, untill I noticed the Blogs were just as bad.

even the must "neutral" can be obviously biased at times, like BTD, when Hillary said she was in the lead, not once did he ever make a post to point out that this excluded caucus states, (he is big on the pop vote deciding, but to me ignoring the pop vote from caucuses kinda defeats the pop vote meaning) he gave her a pass on it.

its then I took a step back and all blogs are just as bad as the media, Huffington post loves to post ugly pics of Hillary with their stories,

Bloggers are just as biased as the rest of us and they have less accountability to be neutral, though I don't know if they really have to be.

but to me Bloggers aren't much better then pundits, they do the exact same things as the media pundits.

What Bloggers choose NOT to cover is just as important as what they do cover.


Congratulations to Barack Obama, the presumptive Presumptive Democratic Nominee
by TruthMatters on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 05:59:25 PM EST

Re: How 'leading progressive bloggers' have morphe (2.00 / 2)

p.s. not that I think there is anything wrong with pundits they are just doing their job.

but I think ALL pundits or bloggers who speak major elections should tell who they are rooting for. it helps understand their take on things and their spin if you understand at least where their bias lies, instead of thinking you are hearing from a neutral source.


Congratulations to Barack Obama, the presumptive Presumptive Democratic Nominee
by TruthMatters on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 06:03:55 PM EST
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Re: How 'leading progressive bloggers' have (2.00 / 1)

No, BTD blasted anyone who tried to exclude the caucus votes. Read his comments. I don't think he wrote a front page post about Hillary claiming the lead because he doesn't consider MI legit without a revote. Or, he may have written one and I missed it, but I know for sure he doesn't accept any vote count without caucus votes.


by tabbycat in tenn on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 06:41:17 PM EST
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Re: How 'leading progressive bloggers' have (none / 0)

like I said he never gave it a front page post, to me thats a pass.

maybe he put it deep down in some post he didn't agree but when you went to the site you saw right on the front a post talking about Hillary is now in the pop vote lead, and never a word about this not including the caucus states. like I said for bloggers

what they choose NOT to give a front page post is just as important to me as what does get one.


Congratulations to Barack Obama, the presumptive Presumptive Democratic Nominee
by TruthMatters on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 06:46:46 PM EST
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Re: How 'leading progressive bloggers' have (none / 0)

That was Jeralyn's post, not BTD. That's why he writes "speaking for me only". He doesn't agree with her sometimes. He really does call out any poster who ignores the caucus votes.


by tabbycat in tenn on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 06:49:12 PM EST
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How 'leading progressive bloggers' have morphed (none / 0)

Good piece, Bob.


Eyes on the Prize: Hillary 08
by bobbank on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 06:15:11 PM EST

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I once had high hopes for the blogoshere, but I see now that it is just as likely to be used to manipulate and disinform as the corporate media.

But its advantage remains that a diary like this would never see the light of day in the corporate media which can only admire its own navel.


Hillary: "Her dishonesty is actually honest." -- yellowdem1129
by Kobi on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 06:16:27 PM EST

Is it Time for Independent Media? (none / 0)

so I have been trying to think of how this problem of the media bias could be fixed. and the only thing  I can think of is we need government sponsored Independent media.

oxymoron? The problem with all media is eventually they need money, which means usually ad revenues, which turns into them pandering to their advertisers. you see it, if a media does something you don't like, you threaten their advertisers with boycotts and what not and THEY force changes.

We can't expect the Media to be truly Neutral if a corporation could easily say kill that story or your fired.

we need a media that has a constant source of funding that they won't have to worry about drying up and thus they are free to just report without having to watch the purse strings. The best I can think of is a government sponsored media, where the government doesn't have the power to cut funding. It obviously wouldn't work

but something has to be done, Journalists and the media are not bound to the truth or the people, they are bound by ad dollars, even the blogs are too.

how  many SEIU advertisments you see here? what would they do if there was a front page story they didn't like or a topic they don't want dicussed? which would happen the topic doesn't get talked about or MyDD says screw you and talks about it anyways?

I remember a few weeks ago KO reported about how Bill O didn't like something and his corporate owners when to KOs bosses and luckily they didn't care they let KO talk about it, but I then thought wow what if they did care, they can easily kill a story because at the end of the day KO is going to care about his paycheck not the truth.

we need to do something to fix the media in this country


Congratulations to Barack Obama, the presumptive Presumptive Democratic Nominee
by TruthMatters on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 06:31:45 PM EST

Thank You Bob (none / 0)

My own posts have been fairly infantile!!!!

Guilty as charged.

The leading lights....... where have they gone.

I used to enjoy reading intelligent thought provoking commentary from the headline bloggers. Where have they all gone.

I think this primary season is making us all nuts. (And for that I blame Clinton ;-)


overthrow the government~participate
by missliberties on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 07:13:02 PM EST

Upside? (none / 0)

Nice diary, Bob.  

Oddly enough, I think there's a possible upside.  I lurked at the progressive blogs for ages, and was compelled to jump in as things began to get flat-out squirrel turd nutty.

Maybe, once the debacle of the primary winds down and the smoke clears, we'll have more quality people than before to help steer this out of control chuckwagon away from the precipice.

Here's to hoping.


Unseen, in the background, Fate was quietly slipping the lead into the boxing glove.
by fogiv on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 07:18:51 PM EST

Correct me if I'm wrong... (none / 0)

but I have a good memory and I thought I saw Oprah on TV at a Jesse Jackson rally in 1988. If so then this doesn't jibe with the opt-repeated scenario that she's never been involved with a candidate before.


by handsomegent on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 07:37:10 PM EST

And that has what to do with anything here? (none / 0)


by Bob Johnson on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 11:45:37 PM EST
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But you do see the dif. don't you Bob? (none / 0)

The difference between Markos' constant ant-Clinton/pro-Obama ravings (and anti-Clinton supporter ravings) from 1/08 through the present, and Jerome making a valid point in a respectable fashion in a single diary one time, while citing a questionable source?

In other words, which is worse:

1.  "Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, and all of the mothers of all Clinton supporter in the United States of America trade sex for cash and should rot in hell" repeated several times a day by Markos himself; or

2.  A single post by Jerome indicating "certain questionable facts were reported on a website about Obama."

Of course, I'm paraphrasing, and lumping months and months and months of constant filth and personal insults directed at me and other Clinton supporters DIRECTLY from Kos into a single quote, but you get the point, right?


My name is Barney Gumble, and I'm an alcoholic. Lisa: This is a girl scouts meeting. Barney: Is it, or is it you girls can't admit that you have a problem?
by PJ Jefferson on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 07:57:40 PM EST

A single post? (2.00 / 1)

Jerome acts just like the lamest of lame diarists. He cherrypicks polls and facts. So does kos. If you think Jerome isn't just as full of it as kos, you're  wearing your special Clinton goggles.


by Bob Johnson on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 11:40:11 PM EST
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Stop whining. (2.00 / 1)

Get your own blog or website if you don't like how things work on blogs or websites you DO NOT own.


"Barack did Hillary just like he did Alice Palmer. He was 'riding dirty'"
by LatinoVoter on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 08:18:35 PM EST

Oh, I forgot... (2.00 / 1)

You run this place now.

Heh.


by Bob Johnson on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 11:45:15 PM EST
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Re: Oh, I forgot... (none / 0)

my poor, sweet BJ getting harassed!


Fight for Democrats in Congress.
by owl06 on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:08:47 PM EST
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Huh? (none / 0)


by Bob Johnson on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:45:48 PM EST
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